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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:37 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Deadly wrote:
I'm still rather wary of just opening completely up and letting anyone in, but I suppose if I'm the only one I'll have to accept and see how it goes

I vote for the Llama as our ambassador too.... Ambassador Llama, sounds good Smile


Actually, I don't agree either...but it's going to happen, so why not say "fine, here's who I'd vote to make it open"
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been thinking about this...

Just a thought...If we open up completely, might we get a bit of "New Town v Old Town hate?

*shrugs* Not trying to pessimistic...but that might be a slight problem if it was to occur...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I told to Sophistemon when he broached the topic with me:

I support opening Enupnion, but I DO want to respect everyone else's opinion.
Personally, I would be fine with continuing with the minor change I implemented: not having to ask a moderator to invite someone. This way we won't have tons of people rushing in, and yet we'll have no more arguments about who gets in or not.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vael wrote:
As I told to Sophistemon when he broached the topic with me:

I support opening Enupnion, but I DO want to respect everyone else's opinion.
Personally, I would be fine with continuing with the minor change I implemented: not having to ask a moderator to invite someone. This way we won't have tons of people rushing in, and yet we'll have no more arguments about who gets in or not.


I'll support that instead. As long as there's some form of "approval" by someone already here it's not too bad.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vael wrote:
As I told to Sophistemon when he broached the topic with me:

I support opening Enupnion, but I DO want to respect everyone else's opinion.
Personally, I would be fine with continuing with the minor change I implemented: not having to ask a moderator to invite someone. This way we won't have tons of people rushing in, and yet we'll have no more arguments about who gets in or not.


I agree with this.


Supporting this over the completely opening up.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree with "no need for mod invites" vs "open forum." I think one of our problems is stagnation of people. We need new people, they are exciting and fun and under the current "Invitation" system, they show up, go "Neat, but I'm justgonna stick with GITP" and leave.

If we don't openly invite everyone, then we'll still seem elitiest, maybe not as much, but some. Lets share this Town.

And ummm....I'm flattered, about being the ambassador, but I don't know what to say or how to say it. Any pointers?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LLama, sweet LLama, it mostly involves being your sweet self.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read the 1st page of this thread. Then I left and went and played badminton because I was late, won a couple of games and lost the rest. Then I went and had a smoke which as you lot know I'm trying to give up. I spent that time working out my response to this thread. As some of you may have noticed, I tend not to stick my nose into forum affairs, being of the firm opinion that as long as things keep running then those who have an interest in running them will do better than me. So, the very fact that I was prepared to spend 3 hours mulling over my response should say that I wanted to contribute something helpful and worthwhile.

I was very glad to get back and find that it probably won't be needed and that thinking has largely gone round to, as per Exy's list, what can loosely be described as Wolfie's Code for a Happy Forum Life. This code has served me well on several forums. It is as follows and if anyone would like my opinions about how it could be applied here and now, well, you don't need me, think about it for yourselves.

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Do not be a tool, think about stuff before you do it.



As to the open door policy, the way ahead as I see it is simple. We open the door and we let the world in. If anyone refuses to follow my simple precept up there, then that is what the ban hammer is for. Invitations, let us assume that people are not going to invite people at random and will, instead, show a touch of sense. Cassie's thought on New Town vs Old Town ? Simple, as soon as Rex opens his idiotic trap to say anything that is unpleasant, then an admin hits him with the ban hammer.

We don't need rules, we don't need planning, we don't need to be rigid. We need understanding of one simple thing. Throughout history, the most successful forms of government have tended to be benevolent dictatorships, where decisions are centralised. But there is one thing that your benevolent dictator learns early or else is extremely short lived.

It's in the spoiler.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also want llama to go tell people we're opening our doors.

That would mean that the verification process would have to be automated.

Also, about making the distinction for IC/OOC Council clearer:

I'm not sure exactly what the OOC council is for anymore, what with all the changes.

The IC Council should make IC laws - the ones enforced by the Police. If the Council exists IC, then the process of getting onto the council should be IC.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay well reading through this thread has got me a lot more optimistic about new town then I was yesterday.

As far as I can tell a few things still need to get hashed out. Most importantly I think is what the rules for this town will be.

I'd really like to say "Get rid of all the rules and let people do what they want. If people Godmod or UberGodmod just ignore them." Rules should just be polite suggestions in my book. Once this place is open to all we have to be careful that we aren't banning people because they are just plain old bad role players rather then godmodders or something like that.

That leads me to another question. Who deals with banning? Should we give whatever admin/mod that encounters the problem right to ban? Should admins/mods have to vote on it? Should normal posters get a say? I have no definitive ideas but I'd be leaning more towards a group decision... Although the idea of banning in the first place seems off to me. Banning should definitely be an absolute last, last resort.

Blech. Ideas. Blech.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In terms of banning, it should be a last resort and not the first thing we do. Warnings first, banning last. I think we were leaning towards an odd number of mods/admins for deciding on such things.

I think we still need the basic rules, it keeps a little bit of order.

In terms of voting IC, I'm against it. It should be the players who decide.

The IC is for IC laws/rules/policies. The OOC council is for the stuff that goes on behind the scenes.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vael wrote:
As I told to Sophistemon when he broached the topic with me:

I support opening Enupnion, but I DO want to respect everyone else's opinion.
Personally, I would be fine with continuing with the minor change I implemented: not having to ask a moderator to invite someone. This way we won't have tons of people rushing in, and yet we'll have no more arguments about who gets in or not.


Completely agreed. I really, seriously disliked having who I wanted to RP with being not my decision. In fact, that's probably what got me bitching about everything in the first place. A fine idea, if not a perfect compromise.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And then, who's going to be invited by the rest of us if we do this "Invite not necessarily by Mod" thing?
What's to stop any one of us, even maybe one of those few that do get invited as a result of this change from simply posting the link onto the Old Town and saying "All aboard!"

The same thing that's stopped us from doing that so far? The same thing that has completely staunched the flow of new players?
This isn't a compromise, in my opinion. This is just a different way of keeping the same as we always have. The power is still in our hands, to choose who gets in, to choose all the terms and all the rules (however laid back they may currently be). It doesn't work that way. We actually need to offer that power to the people of Old Town to choose for themselves whether or not to cross that frontier. Maybe then, they will be more encouraged to actually make that choice, rather than join for a few days, decide that it's just too stagnant, and walk back as has happened often. Or, worse, let that hostile attitude that has them taking us for snobs fester even more, as the time goes on. The longer it goes, the less repairable the damage will be.

What are you afraid of?
You afraid that all the godmodders will flood in and ruin the straight beauty of New Town? Why? We can actually threaten action against them, here!
You afraid that it's too big of a change to make all at once? Why? No time like the present.

The way I figure it, if you're in for a penny, you're in for the entire cost of the investment. And if this is all that is going to result from this discussion, then I'm going to sit back and wait for when something slips up or someone finally realizes that what you solved today was a pittance.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say we let them all in. Screw invites. Do warnings, short-term bans, and full bans after that if they are necessary. I doubt it'll get that far even.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sign me up with the E person.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes.
Si.
Aye.
Various other affirmative phrases.

I like the last few posts.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*pokes*

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Ahem... Good Afternoon, some of you know me, Draken, and most really have no idea who the heck I am, maybe some vague memory, but other than that, just stactic on the screen.

Well, I joined the Town arround May of this year, a bit before this forum was started, and I am currently one of the players of Old Town, and according to wxdruid, a member of the current leadership (Her own words, I was actually flatered).

Right, done with the presentations. Vael invited me a few days ago, and I gave a run arround the forum, nice place (actually the only things I read were Khaerathain [sorry if I mispelled SotS] and a few other threads, most OOC, like Necro's artwork [excelent, by the way] and some random things.). Only reason i didn't post before is because I wanted this avatar done before.

Then, I stumped on this thread, and wanted to give in a few words.

First of all, someone spoke about how Rex demonizes you in the old town, yes he does, but he speaks for himself alone and no one else, heck even Nightwing is happy with some of the old people that have been returning.

Now, about boosting the town, I spoke to Vael, wxdruid, and clearly, this place is te only one were it is possible to deal with troublemakers, it is not possible to do so in GitP, and as a matter of fact, the "invite only" thing was a horrible idea, I know it, I participated of another project that started as "invite only" and currently most of the people who started the project aren't even speaking to each other anymore due to internal conflicts that would hardly have happened if new blood poured in constantly (in fact, the lack of new blood was one of the problems that caused breakdowns).

So, on the last page, people were voting aout making Sophistemon and Atreyu into ambassadors between the towns, a good idea, might I add, using GitP to recruit people is a good method, and it is actually possible to fuse the two, after dealing with the problems, both structural and human ones.

As a matter of fact, this post made by Ms. E sumarizes all I think to be good ideas.

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I say we let them all in. Screw invites. Do warnings, short-term bans, and full bans after that if they are necessary. I doubt it'll get that far even.


Well, that is pretty much it. I could say a lot of things, but i hardly know most of you, and some -could- be misinterpreted as offense, or just lack of education of my part.

Bah, screw it, all I really wanted to say were three things:

1- I agree with Ms Elaenous

2- Don't pay to much attention to what Rex says.

3- I apologise to you all for many of the extremely offensive coments made by Bookboy, he is a bit childish, even considering he is a child.
(I don't even know why I am doing this third, it is not really my fault and I have nothing to do with him... But I really think I should.)

Now, I will see if I find the Woods thread. I have been thinking of a magnificent entrance to my main character, something I really didn't do the first time because I wasn't sure of his development and didn't have my current grasp of the language (Just check the location to see the meaning of this last line.)
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the mods and admins are in the process of finalizing exactly what LLama will do on GitP Town in terms of talking to them. (Yes, I'm pushing them a little so we can get this underway and we're deciding what exactly we'll do with rude or inconsiderate people. If you encounter any? Please tell a mod or admin, it's what we're here for).
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suggest we use Draken as an ambasador. He is about as know in Olde Town as Llama and they trust him. Looking around he has interacted and generally met with positive feed back from all the Olde Townies.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds good to me Darkblade.

Umm... I must go check the meaning of Canuck... Never saw the word before.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It means Canadian.

It's also the name of the Vancouver Hockey team. Which I know because, despite not following hockey, they were in the headlines for three freaking months last year.

Anyways, good to have you here. Ms. E is right, we need some new people around here.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, unfortunatelly I probably wont show up here (or in GitP for the record) until Sunday, damn it.

We got a longer weekend here in Brazil (Children's day tomorrow) and my parents decided to take a small trip to the countryside, and I think there will be no internet.

Well, be back on sunday. Then I will stop procrastinating and get to some writing.

Oh, yes, if anyone is interested, this thread got some of the best textwork I have did lately.

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59437

Heck, I feel evil just for reading >>
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rules have been made a bit more precise, so there should be fewer questions about when the line has been crossed and the authority of an Admin or Mod. LLama is our official ambassador to GitP Town and he can talk to whomever he wishes, wherever he wishes. If anyone else wants to talk to people that is fine as well.

If anyone has any problems with anyone, feel free to talk to any admin or mod, it's what we're here for.


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