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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:30 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

I prefer to post here....I don't really have much to say. I like it here. I don't have to worry about half the stuff I had to worry about in GitP. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. After Gwen is finished being Mayor over there and Jaric dies, that's pretty much it. I'll be over here, with the people I like and love the most.

Town here is what I want.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you're proposing to completely abandon this site and start over again?

If you really want change that much, don't you think it'd be easier to just stay here and strip down all the naxisim you think is in the administration?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, that is pretty much what I am proposing. A boat full of holes can only be patched so many times. I think what we might need is a fresh start for everyone. Enupnion kind of has some bad feelings attached. Not to mention that an admin needs to be changed, so it would seem. It would actually be simpler to merely start over rather than pour through every inch of this and put it back together right.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have started today to start posting back in old town to see what I can see. I am by no means abandoing this place, I have and still do enjoy this site. The reasons for posting here still exist, I have never felt stiffled by the rules here. The only thing is that I feel it is hard to pull people into random plot stuff I have going on in my head, or to be pulled into other peoples.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright. I actually have real opinions about this.
Which is scary, because I quite often don't have a real opinion.

Completely off-the-hook story about Old Town
I went back to Old Town for about half an hour during last week...
Spoiler:

...After endless worrying and fretting that I would get pretty much the same godmodding idiotic activity that made me leave for good (See: "My Plot! My Beautiful Plot" on the Chit/Chat). I fully intended to have MURK kill himself in Trog's Tavern by yelling out "Quiet quiet quiet quiet quiet quiet quiet..." So I had a failsafe of sorts, even if it meant shoving MURK back to life about a month later.
It was quite good at first. MURK came in, he looked around, declared hunger, got given food, and actually almost got involved in a plot straight off the bat! Despite some dispute that I saw just earlier, something about a Reesus Monkey or whatever the heck it is, I was thinking, hey, this ain't so bad. If you can keep up with what's being posted.

Of course, there was an almost. Because soon after said plot instigator accepted MURK's hug, he was attacked by an improvised dagger trap to the crutch, was killed by something else that I cannot remember, and then his associate was attacked by tonberry assassins. Apparently, tonberry assassins are not slow-moving monsters that coined the phrase, Getting Doinked. They were intelligent combatants that had alien body structures and lightning speeds and that coined the phrase, Getting Doinked.

And then Rex's main came in and arrested her for something, using Bullets of You're Under F***in' Arrest, Bitch and stuff to whisk away said associate.

And then I faked deadtime just to get away from it.


Rebo or Geo or Vael or Osnagard. You were there, IIRC. PLEASE, for the love of all mercy, tell me that isn't typical Old Town behavior!


In summary, you have two extremes. Old Town is the one with absolute no-holds-barred chaos, and New Town is the one with tight-set rules.
Old Town is the one with all the godmodders, New Town is the one with all the veterans.
Old Town is the one where it is apparently easier to get your character involved in something, New Town is the one where it is apparently as difficult as trying to look at the back of your neck without fetching a mirror.
Old Town is the one where it is also easier to have your plots ruined by idiots. New Town is the one where the plots are more likely to be ruined by absolutely nothing.
Old Town is where all of the fresh blood is pouring in almost on a weekly basis. New Town sees an estimate of 5% of these new people slither in through the recruiters.
Old Town is chaos. New Town is law. Apparently, neither of them work.
What we need is neutral. What we need is, put simply, Town.

I like Ms E's idea of a new new town. It'd make the first one or two attempts rather redundant and silly-looking, and it might just open the flood gates for idiotic godmodders to come in and burn our houses, steal our treasures, rape our children, etc, but I reckon it needs to happen in order to breathe a little bit of life into this place and put some form of restraint on that other place.
However. IF we are going to even think of writing up plans for Town 3.0, even if we are going to be using this very same site to host it (and I hope we do, if bandwidth allows it), and even if we are still going to be a teensy bit stingy on who we let in (this includes the banning of flaming godmodding idiots, though I think that a Spam-Town to send them to if they want to have idiotic godmodding fun would be more preferable), I believe that we MUST let the Old-Towners have their full say in absolutely everything that goes into the new version. Even if it means a flame war. Even if it means that there are going to be some people that say "F*** this!" and walk away from both towns never to be seen again. If we don't get everyone who is going to be involved in this, involved in this, it will never work. We have to reach out to EVERYBODY from the absolute beginning, otherwise there is going to be a gap that will never heal. New Town might curl up and die, Old Town will be sliced in half like a hot cross bun fresh from the microwave, and there will be so much more bad feelings arising from this mess than is necessary.

We're all mature, we've all proved it by being invited here. Now we can prove it again, by inviting everyone into a place that may not necessarily require maturity.

And I wish that there is going to be something, somewhere, in this still-theoretical creation of Town 3.0 that I could seriously help with. Not just sitting on the side and saying to myself, "Oh, something's happened!" or not even being aware of what is happening until it's happened already and I wasn't told. If you haven't experienced that before, and I've experienced it for most of my life with the exception of three major projects, It stinks.


...I feel weird. Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NecroPaladin wrote:
As of a few minutes ago, I just figured,

Fuck it.

I'm going to roleplay.

If the New Town collapses, I'm going to roleplay in the Old Town.

So be it.


I'd just like to state that the opposite holds true for me.

I was constantly told basically to go fuck myself in olde Town. So I don't plan on going back.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wukei wrote:
I was constantly told basically to go fuck myself in olde Town. So I don't plan on going back.
But, if what other posters here have said is true, we've already done that.

Did they ask for anything else? Razz
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to say that as an admin, I think Vael has served us incredibly well and democratically. Every decision he made consulted us in some way, from the top to the bottom; I remember staying up 'til 6AM on a school day to help us make this place, and there were about 20 other people there. Yes, he made some decisions that didn't go along with your opinion, big whoop. You canNOT accommodate everyone as a leader, and as long as you aren't opposing him just out of spite, everything should end up balancing out on matters about something that is supposed to be fun.

As things are, we've begun to choke ourselves to death. We're restricting ourselves more and more and more and more, until we don't have enough room to breath. That said, we need SOME restriction; it's like the difference between being crushed and being spaced- without enough pressure on us from the rules, we explode, too much and we collapse into ourselves like a roleplaying black hole- the metaphor fits surprisingly well, because nothing sucks more than a black hole.

I would personally request that every person that reads this post consider the creation of a third town; a blend of new and old, the freedom to play, too plot, to be crazy...WHILE having enough restriction so that we reach the correct balance of freedom and rules, the correct balance of pressure and vacuum...something that will, I suppose, give us the perfect atmosphere for roleplaying.

When I came here, I simply wanted somewhere where I could play without being godmodded, or having my characters stalked, where I didn't have to give myself an aneurysm trying to read someone's posts. I still do (although I'm willing to be lenient on spelling and punctuation...to an extent). But I don't want a place of such excessive organization that we lose our inherent chaos; the only thing I think I see as really beneficial is putting some penalty on godmodding.

HOWEVER. There is one other matter that I have to bring up: characters. If we make a New New Town, then I don't want to lose my characters here, or their history. One of my characters has had a child and is expecting more, another is soon to be a father, one of them is married, one is engaged...I don't want to lose these months of development on our parts for something completely new- I don't want a complete reboot. I want something more along the lines of buying a new system while keeping the old data. Another problem is integrating the two towns into one if we do that...

That is my (ineloquently expressed, I fear) opinion, for good or for ill.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I can think of right now to say to all of this, is I personally feel against the creation of a 3rd Town.

My thoughts, at the moment (note it's 3am here, and I'm about to pass out) is that we should allow more people from GitP over here, ease up on SOME of the rules, not all of them, and crack down on people that refuse to change their ways and continue to godmod and be idiotic and all.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's my proposal:

  1. Identify the rules here that are stifling our creativity.
  2. Chuck them out.
  3. Open up to the people from Old Town. We aren't getting enough new blood. We're becoming creatively inbred, if I may use the term. If we let people in freely, then that should fix that problem.
  4. Apply the rules we retain to force immature, idiotic roleplayers to choose between growing up, not interfering with serious roleplayers, or getting banhammered.


That's my proposed solution.

Rules I think need to go/Changes that should be implemented:
  1. The "No Immigration" policy. I understand why it was instituted, but I think it was an overreaction, and as outlived whatever usefulness it once had.
  2. The Plot Registration policy, to a degree. Only Town-wide plots should have to be registered and approved.
  3. There needs to be a clearer division between the IC Council vs. the OOC Council.


That's all I can think of at the moment.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the thing with just opening those flood gates is that if we do that recklessly, then we might hardly get anyone coming through, and the problem might not be any better.
Those people who weren't invited to New Town are most likely going to get banned anyway. Either that, or (If what's been said about Rex is true) they simply won't accept us anymore if we suddenly thrust our town into their face and say "Join us! We need you!"
...Assuming a worst-case scenario if the situation is looked at with no actual care. If we aren't going to go ahead with Town 3.0 but will open up to the Old Towners, then for the sake of old hatreds fostered, we have to be very careful and diplomatic about it.

In fact, we're going to have to be very careful and diplomatic about it even if we do have Town 3.0. The big difference is that we'd be sitting tight and forcing others into our town with our rules and our consequences, instead of working together with both Towns' interests taken into full consideration and coming to a compromise with both sides - sounds much more democratic, doesn't it?
I advise care because, if we botch up and everyone hates us too much to join, that's it. No saved game. No practice shots.

And, I still advocate the idea of Spam-Town, just so those people that get banned from Town 2 or Town 3 still have a place to godmod and whatever (OMG, another Town?!? *Evil glares at Chilli all around*). Because it's better than being outright excluded from every town.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I keep seeing this. And I dont even drink nearly enough to start seeing double.

Before ranting, let me summarize my standpoint:

- I don't support a 3rd forum, if we can't make it work here it'll just fail again.
- I think Vael has done well as our admin. I imagine it must be a hell with all our whining and complaining. I don't envy you, Vael.
- We need to stop pointing fingers!!!!
- Our problems are negativity and timidity (or arrogance, maybe)

Now, to rant!

Some might have noticed that I've been rather inactive this weekend or so. There are a few reasons, but it's not really so much because of the fact that I've been busy trying to beat a new game. The truth is that I sit here, in between playing the game, and lurk, and I think to my self "Self, you should post something. Go into Trog's and have a drink or go talk to someone in Inari's" and to that I reply "No Me, I'm tired. I don't really feel like playing in Town right now."

And that really makes me sad. I don't want to grow tired of this place, not really because I'll miss playing here, but because I'll really miss the people here, the friends I've made here. But right now I'm a bit weary of playing in Town, and I really hope it's just temporary, maybe due to my frustration at this new game. But I'll get back to this.

Some might also have noticed that I've been doing my best recently to wrap up lingering plots, get rid of characters and generally clean up in my plot/character list. But the reason for that is something different. I'm tired of plots. I'm tired of running plots, and I'm particularly tired of running plots that fail miserably in various ways. I'm also tired of having too many characters to keep track of. I really, really, really envy those of you who only have one or two characters that you play. I'm sorely tempted to throw out all my characters and come back with just one.

My plan, before this wearyness took over, was to end all my plots and cut down on my active characters, but most importantly to always try and have a character in Trog's or something, always have a character ready to participate in whatever might pop up. That is the essence of my plans, and provided I don't succumb entirely to weariness that is what I'll be doing.

Why? Because if you look at our fine little Town, it is drowning in personal plots and people doing their own little things, usually with few others involved. And people are seemingly too timid to involve themselves in plots or things going on, unless invited. Even if invited. Or is it arrogance, perhaps? As many have noted, Trog's isn't nearly as active as it used to be. I think Inari's has been rather quiet at times too, I think most posts in Inari's are a few regulars talking and relaxing. Atleast that's the impression.

This is where I break down and start ranting and raving about how you all piss me off and how you all fuck up and make mistakes and frustrate the hells out of me! But I don't! Because you know what? I believe negativity grows, and it spreads, and it grows far beyond reason and into madness and ruins everything. And that's what I witness here.

We're so busy! Busy ranting and rambling and pointing fingers and raving about this and that and whatever! And every time it seems we grow more frustrated, more angry and more fingers are pointed and more people throw up their hands in frustration and leave! And every time, Town dies a little more.

So instead of playing, instead of just having fun, we degrade into negativity and mad ravings. And THAT'S one thing that can make me tired, drain me of all energy and will to play. And that's what truely kills Town!

I see complains about the plot registration. But, seriously, have it been used since the beginning? I've pretty much been ignoring it, and it seems to me most people do the same. It is, as I see it, effectively void by the virtue of not being used. Maybe, just maybe, we complain just for the sake of doing so, just to be negative and have a reason to rant.

Let's unsticky the plot registration and get on with our lives, and our play.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A common theme I see in the majority of the posts is that Rex is some sort of final voice in Olde Town. I've been talking to a few Olde Townies. They are a bit upset they weren't invited but would come as fast as they can if the doors were to be opened to them.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hm, no, I think just changing the title will work. Make it a common place to discuss what you want to do, invite others to participate, gather people in to participate.....

Say, I want to do this? Who wants to have fun with me? And so I will go and do that.... right now before work. (since I can't get here from work).

I really don't care what they say about me. The people I care about aren't saying them.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you mean by Fun Gwen?

It's what I'm here to have. That's what anything about life is. Aiming to have fun.

What's the point if we don't?

Maybe we need to lower the restrictions a bit. That's Hypocritical coming from me, but hindsight is always 20/20.

I've always acted as if this place is a haven.
We have all our lives rushing around us, and we need somewhere to sit back and relax.

To Be honest. That's what I want this place to be (I may be differing from other's opinions...).

This is Town 3.0
Town 1.# was on Gitp.
Town 2.# was Collective Heights. I drop in on there every so often. That truly is deaded.
Town 3 is here.

We tried to continue, and now it's changed.

Third Time Lucky - Only works when we try.

Let's try guys. Let's be more relaxed about this, and have fun.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I have fun here, I enjoy it. I like what my characters are currently involved in and I will stay.

Say what you want changed (specifics) and if it's in my power I will do it. Otherwise I will talk to the other people who can change it.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right. I'm not making a unilatteral Decision here.

Guys, the next posts should be:
What don't we like about town.
What should be changed.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I woke up this morning feeling drastically better about myself than I did yesterday.
I am just going to make this one amendment to what I said:
I am going to quit, unless the majority of town wishes to see me still in charge. If you guys would rather see someone else, go ahead and put them forwards, I'm not going to complain one little bit (unless I can't find a way to transfer being the One True Admin, which I'm kinda wondering about). But I don't feel I should just chicken out if I'm admin you really want to see.

1) What I don't like about this Town:
Fragmented.
I've said this for a long time.
I've noticed lots of people agreeing with me here.
Honestly, there is one very simple, very easy solution:
Post in Trog's. Or, if not Trog's, we need some other central meeting point. Because honestly? That's really the biggest difference between Old Town and Enupnion.
It isn't hard. It's not bad. And stop worrying what will happen- YES, things will happen to your character! They may be good or bad! Or really bad! But you know what? SOMETHING is better than NOTHING.

2) Even when people are invited, they quickly go back to Old Town.
I'm not sure what the problem is here, but I'm guessing it has to do with the fact that they can't get involved with anything, due to the fact that they haven't gotten involved already, and Trog's isn't active.

3) Overpowered characters.
No, I'm not complaining about overpowered characters. I'm complaining about people complaining about them.
They've always been here.
They're part of our freedom in making characters.
They'll always be here- and if you really feel someone is impinging on your freedom with an overpowered character, then talk to them or a moderator.
They're a part of Town just as much as any other character, I don't think we really have the right to just say "no."


So really, all I want you to do is go to Trog's and stop worrying.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see why you should step down, Vael, so you have my vote/support as admin.

And I agree with your points, people need to play less with themselves and more with everyone else. And stop complaining so much, because that really is the only problem we have, I think, and it's not that serious if we just try to improve. There are few things quite as frustrating and tiring as logging on and seeing this much complaining

Anyway, I'm ranting again, sorry, I just get tired easily right now
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NecroPaladin wrote:
I like order. I don't like fascism. This is ironic, given my title. I'm protesting the authority, not the basic idea of some basis that we should all follow.

And, as stated last post, I'm beyond even caring. My standards are too high.


UWAAAAH! Only now do I realize that I insinuated in this post that Vael was a fascist! I didn't mean that in the least. I meant that all the rules and regulations with only a few set people to uphold them, as a concept, was getting a bit fascist. Sorry if you took it that way, Vael.

I'll put it simply; it's not that I want to see you out of power, Vael, it's just that I really wouldn't want to see anyone IN power, save in the rare instances to ban godmodders.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to see Vael stay as our Admin.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shadow of the Sun wrote:
When I came here, I simply wanted somewhere where I could play without being godmodded, or having my characters stalked, where I didn't have to give myself an aneurysm trying to read someone's posts. I still do (although I'm willing to be lenient on spelling and punctuation...to an extent). But I don't want a place of such excessive organization that we lose our inherent chaos; the only thing I think I see as really beneficial is putting some penalty on godmodding.

HOWEVER. There is one other matter that I have to bring up: characters. If we make a New New Town, then I don't want to lose my characters here, or their history. One of my characters has had a child and is expecting more, another is soon to be a father, one of them is married, one is engaged...I don't want to lose these months of development on our parts for something completely new- I don't want a complete reboot. I want something more along the lines of buying a new system while keeping the old data. Another problem is integrating the two towns into one if we do that...

That is my (ineloquently expressed, I fear) opinion, for good or for ill.


Ah! Just read this. Well said, SotS.

Yeah, I was in a bad mood yesterday. I'm still pessimistic about the New Town, but I'm not about to give up just yet.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not want to see another attempt at a forum. I agree with Exy: if we can't fix this one, we're not very likely to do better with a new one.

I do not want to go back to GITP. They are already seeing lag with the people who have already gone back. If we load them down again, I strongly suspect the entirety of SMBG will be shut down.
I left the old Town partly to help a cartoonist that I admire not suffer because of a game I was playing.

I have always been against the "invitation only" policy. I still am. I say again: open the user signup.

The plot registration, if you remember, was a response to a series of complaints that the "main players" were running so many plots that no one else could get a story in edgewise. I'm sorry we put that rule in, it has not have helped. But as Deadly pointed out - it's not like it is enforced, either: even I ignore it. Let's announce that "rule" to be defunct, change the title of the thread like Wxdruid suggested and move on.

Though not far...

What rules are you all concerned about? Do you want the god-modding restriction lifted? Or the inappropriate topic ban? Should we allow content stronger than PG-13? (Though honestly we'd get a solid "R - contains adult language, adult situations, brief nudity, and graphic violence" from MPAA already)

Somehow, I dobut that... No, it's the things in the Town Hall: The "rules that aren't rules" that get brought up there are a large portion of our trouble.

For the second time now, the entire idea of a "Town Council" is causing more trouble than it solves. We dumped it once, and I think we should dump it again.
Look, I know some of you like to RP politics: but can you please just be content to do it in the structured games and leave it there?

I have exactly one "real" rule I'd like to see eliminated: "passive godmodding" needs to be allowed. People must have the right to ignore players that they don't get along with. Yes, it's bad form, but sometimes it is the only thing that works. "Talk to a mod or admin" is not always practical in a timely fashion.

I have nothing more to say about Uber characters that I haven't said already. I chose to lead by example here: mine are gone.

Vael...

I had a long paragraph here, but I changed my mind.

I ask you to consider this:

No matter the protests, no matter how much you wish it were otherwise, no matter how valid the arguments that it should not be: Aesa will always irritate the players just as much as she irritates their characters.

Is it wise for the supreme site administrator to play a character whose main feature is that she irritates people?

Leaders are held to a higher standard than those they lead.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If at all possible, the lead-admin role should be passed to a separate account, simply titled "admin".

We could then have a team of moderators - including Vael, Soph, Fenric & WX Druid and at least two others - all with access to the main admin account as neccessary.

However, if this is not possible, I see no reason why Vael should not remain in the admin position.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vael said that he can't make a new admin account with all of the powers that he has. I don't think he'd abuse such powers, however. I think that a normal extra admin (such as Soph's account)is good enough, however, to continue with this site without issues.

But that's a good idea...secret moderators tend to do well, people that are always watching every thread and can moderate without people saying "well 'admin' doesn't like me, that's why I got in trouble."


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