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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:51 am    Post subject: Town Cleanup and Revitalisation Act  Reply with quote

In a bid to be more constructive and get a proper dialogue going on particular ways to improve Town, I decided to  compile the current concerns and suggestions, both my own and from the discussion previously going on in the Dome

This is NOT meant to spark a discussion on what is wrong with Town! Such discussions invariably run in circles and rarely prove constructive. More often than not they just cause tension and displeasure. I'm sorry I started one such discussion in the Dome.

What this is meant for is suggesting constructive ways to make Town run smoothly for everyone. Please refrain from extensive and excruciating discussions that do not give new suggestions or further suggestions already given. Keep things orderly and with a positive tone.

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The following are my suggestions and thoughts, based on the lengthy discussions at the Dome. None of these are suggested rules!

1. Get more new people in, and old ones back
We want this to be a large and thriving community. We want an influx of new people and for those who may have left us (completely or almost) to return.

Bringing new people in will probably require some activity outside Enupnion, to make people aware of us and show them that we do not just scuttle around here in our private xenophobic darkness. Personally I've wanted to try getting back into GitP Town for a while, it seems to be doing quite well lately. I'll probably get a character active there soon. There may be some of the old people who have left who now play in GitP or elsewhere, too.

Speaking of former players who have left, we can not change real life, but if the reason for having left is something else, perhaps we can help it. If you're one who has stopped posting here but for whatever reason reads this, then I implore you to let us know why you play in this Town no longer. If you know the reasons for someone else not playing here, please let us know as well. Maybe we can use that knowledge, or atleast know why we have to miss you Smile

2. Swarm the new/returning players
We want to show new people, and returning people, that we are happy to see them. We want to avoid for them to ever feel alone or ignored here in Town. Rebonack pointed out the best way to do this: Priority!

If you see someone new posting, especially someone new who seems alone or lost, drop everything else and go talk to them. If you have no character available to do so, just kill Continuity a few times and get on with it. If none of your characters would seem appropriate, use an NPC. Never let someone be all alone anywhere, especially not new people. Swarm them! Show them that we care, and get them introduced to Town so that they can feel welcome and a part of things here.

3. Keep community threads alive and active at all times
This is an extension of the previous point. If we want new people, and others too, to feel a part of the community and feel welcome and not ignored, we need our community centers to be active and thriving at all times. This includes Trog's and the Streets. These are the places you would advice a newcomer to start in, and we don't really want to see such a place be dead and inactive, and certainly never when new people are around or worse yet posting there.

So this goes out to everyone: Please try to always keep those places alive and well. Post there as often as you can, keep a character around there, even if this kills Continuity. If you see someone post there, join them. Especially if they are new.

Plot threads and personal threads can wait. Those posting in such threads should be used to waiting a little, and probably has a character in Trog's or something to keep them entertained while they wait for you anyway. Plot threads in particular generally move slowly anyway, due to time zones and real life stuff.

We also have a 'Welcome to Enupnion' sticky in the Chit-chat forum. It could perhaps be used more. Ideas?

4. In the long run
We want the above points to stay in our minds in the future, and not be forgotten. We don't want to return here in half a year and have these annoying discussions again. We want to keep Town open, thriving and interesting for all not just the next month but always and until it eventually is no more.

I can think of no way to actually assure this, without rules. And I want no more rules (se further below)! It is really up to everyone of us to keep this in mind and never forget. If anyone sees things starting to deteriorate, please come here and remind everyone what it is we want.

5. TIaP returned
I am going to go right ahead with this one after I post this. I am going to restore the Town Indoctrination and Apprentice Program we had in GitP. I think it is a good way to give new people a way to get properly introduced to Town.

I'm going to rename it Town Introduction and Apprentice Program, because it has a slightly better connotation to it, and it also fits the purpose of it better. It is a place for new people to post if they feel they need someone to introduce or welcome them, have questions or just feel lonely.

I suggest that my TIaP thread (to be posted) is stickied.

6. Cleaning up
I think it is important to keep Enupnion nice and clean, and not filled with outdated stuff that may end up confusing or distracting new people, or even old people. As such I suggest we make an effort to get rid of or update such things. I'll start out with a few things I think should be removed or updated.

The 'Town Hall' sticky is outdated. We no longer have a counsil, or a particular need for a Town Hall thread, as far as I can think. It serves more to possibly confuse than help. I also think we should keep the number of stickies to a minimum, and with my TIaP thread and the News thread I made some time ago the number is growing. Best to keep it down along the way than wait for it to become too much.

The Hamlet. As sad as I am to see something I started get killed, I think it's time to accept that the Hamlet is dead already and should be pulled down. Merge the threads with the regular Town and clear up the number of sub forums. The Hamlet really serves no purpose anymore, and while I did have some ideas for it still, I know when to give up.

The Character Directory sticky maintained by Vael has not been updated in a while. I don't know if she's interested in remaining in charge of it, or if someone else should take it over? I'll pose the question, atleast.

The Character Power Thread sticky in the Character Directory forum, should be unstickied and buried in my opinion. It seems to serve little purpose, and may confuse or make people think that we somehow worry about power levels, which with the addition of the 'Proper use of power' rule should be clear that we don't.

Town Logo Competition sticky in the Art forum. Must be pretty outdated by now.

The two 'World of Enupnion' stickies in the Homebrew forum. That project seems pretty dead. May as well clean up and bury those stickies.

Town Calendar in the Chit-chat forum could use some updating, I think. It's a nice thing to have though. Maybe include in it the birthdays of the players? Other dates too, like when Town was "founded" (April 23, 2006).

7. Sci-Fi Town
I deliberately left out Sci-Fi Town from the above list. First because it seems atleast two people are still posting there. Also, I have considered getting active there myself. But only if there appears to be a chance to revive it and get more people to post there again. Thus I throw the idea of reviving Sci-Fi Town out here, let's see how much interest there is.

In that process, the two stickies there should probably be unstickied to avoid clutter. Exachix has sadly been rather absent for a long time, so perhaps someone else should take over the directory there. I could probably tweak the Dynamic Directory to also list Modern and Sci-Fi threads, but I'd let others have a chance at managing the directory there too.

The other sticky should perhaps be replaced with a small post about the idea and background of the Sci-Fi Town, a sort of intro. And serve as a place for OOC discussion, perhaps.

8. Modern Town
Modern Town seems to be quite alive right now. From an outsiders perspective, atleast. There have been some talk about what went on there, though. Atleast Wukei has voiced some annoyance at not knowing what went on. Perhaps we need a talk on the Modern Town, to clear it up. Maybe make a sticky there where the idea and background is outlined, so that it is clear for all.

And again, perhaps it could use a directory. I can tweak the Dynamic Directory to include Modern, although right now the DD-bot is broken Sad

9. The Games
The Games forum (and subsequently 'Looking for Players') appears to be dying or more or less dead alreadly. I've tried real hard to keep kicking people around and keep it running, but honestly it seems like there's very little interest in keeping it going. Wxdruid suggested to me some time ago that I move my game to GitP, like she's done. I haven't done so yet because frankly I think it would be very, very sad to see the Games section here die completely.

I don't know what to do about this, I feel like I've already tried all I can. Maybe we should just move the two remaining games to GitP and close those two forums down? However sad that would be.

10. Town News
Just a reminder for people to keep posting news about what goes on in Town. This can also help newcomers who may find it hard to figure out what goes on. Heck, it helps everyone keep up with what goes on, since Town is quite big and sometimes a lot of things happen that most people probably miss.

I'll try myself to be more active in posting news too, though I am rather pressed for time right now. I shouldn't even be spending time writing all this, but I do anyway

11. Rules clean-up and simplification
Right. Wukei put it quite well in the Dome at some point. I think we should make an effort to simplify our rules and guidelines as much as possible. Cut everything unnecessary away and leave only the bare bones. If it is true that we are seen as elitist rules monkeys then I think we should make an active effort to change that perception. I believe it will also help Town in general to keep things simple. Let's follow the KISS principle.

I don't think we really have many rules of play at all. We have the rule against godmodding (and metagaming, apparently, see below). We also have the 'Proper use of Power' rule which is really just saying that everyone are equal and have the right to decide what happens to their characters. Actually just an extension of the Godmodding rule. Both rules seem perfectly reasonable and natural to me.

The only rule I suggest to get rid of is the one we added not so long ago. The power level one. It was probably a mistake, but most of all, after reading the 'Rules of Play' I believe it is already mentioned in Vael's excellent guide on making characters that you should probably avoid gods and supremely powerful characters. Is that not all we need to say?

Speaking of that thread, it should probably be renamed to 'Rules and Guides to Play' or something. The majority of that post really has nothing to do with rules, but is just a well-meaning guide on how to play.

I also think we should change the 'Threads' section in that post, to mention that it is ok to break continuity in certain situations. It may have been frowned slightly upon in the past, but I think the general consensus now is that it is ok. I still think one should try to follow the guideline mentioned there, to only post/exist in one thread at a time, but maybe we need to lighten that part of the guide up a little.

I went and read the Forum Rules again, too. And it occured to me that perhaps a few parts of it is worded a little harshly, or could be seen that way. I don't know if new people read it and get discouraged, but it is a possibility worth looking into. In particular the section "The authority figures are right" may sound a little too elitist and harsh. There were a few other points where a softer tone could be considered. Thoughts on this?

The statement that 'Metagaming falls under godmodding, and will lead to similar punishments' under the section 'Godmodding' probably should be reconsidered or explained better. I think we metagame a LOT in Town. When is it wrong?

12. Parties! Yay!
Let's have some more Town-wide parties, like we had in the past. Let me suggest the coming Full-moon party at Inari's (December 12) Razz Let's make it a great, all-Town, all-day foxy full moon party where those less furry of us can get a chance to dress up as foxes. Get foxy avatars of your characters too, perhaps?

Help bring back Inari's to it's former glory, as one of the founding and most influential places of Town.

And after that there's Christmas and New Years too. Lots of party opportunity for all of Town!

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I think that's all I had. Please keep discussions nice and orderly, as already mentioned.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:31 am    Post subject: Re: Town Cleanup and Revitalisation Act Reply with quote

Deadly wrote:
7. Sci-Fi Town
I deliberately left out Sci-Fi Town from the above list. First because it seems atleast two people are still posting there. Also, I have considered getting active there myself. But only if there appears to be a chance to revive it and get more people to post there again. Thus I throw the idea of reviving Sci-Fi Town out here, let's see how much interest there is.

In that process, the two stickies there should probably be unstickied to avoid clutter. Exachix has sadly been rather absent for a long time, so perhaps someone else should take over the directory there. I could probably tweak the Dynamic Directory to also list Modern and Sci-Fi threads, but I'd let others have a chance at managing the directory there too.

The other sticky should perhaps be replaced with a small post about the idea and background of the Sci-Fi Town, a sort of intro. And serve as a place for OOC discussion, perhaps.

As one of the two players who still use Space Town, I would naturally like it to have a revival. I know that space is supposed to be a lonely place, but not this lonely.

The Space stickies - I'd agree to un-stickying the discussion thread, and to consolidate the general agreements into one post - the non-magical setting, planet Town, etc. - as you suggested.
I guess I could try and keep a Space Directory up to date, although having it all in a dynamic directory would make it easier to find stuff.
If you want to discuss Sci-Fi Town, or start a revival, I'd love to be involved, so you can contact me through PM or other means.

Apart from the Sci-Fi Town stuff - I support your points, especially the bit about not turning this into a discussion about what's wrong. We don't want to know what's wrong, we just want to do it
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Town Cleanup and Revitalisation Act Reply with quote

Deadly wrote:
The Character Directory sticky maintained by Vael has not been updated in a while. I don't know if she's interested in remaining in charge of it, or if someone else should take it over? I'll pose the question, atleast.

I'm not such a good person for keeping things like that running and energized, though I'll likely help reorganize the thread if asked.
If someone else wants to remake it, I'll help. It's probably best for me not to be in charge though.

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The Character Power Thread sticky in the Character Directory forum, should be unstickied and buried in my opinion. It seems to serve little purpose, and may confuse or make people think that we somehow worry about power levels, which with the addition of the 'Proper use of power' rule should be clear that we don't.

Town Logo Competition sticky in the Art forum. Must be pretty outdated by now.

The two 'World of Enupnion' stickies in the Homebrew forum. That project seems pretty dead. May as well clean up and bury those stickies.

All of these have been done.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Vael Smile

And the Character Directory probably won't need to be updated too often. Unless we get a huge influx of new people suddenly Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any way to completely erase and vanish the old 'inviting people to Enupnion' thread?

I know it has been locked and a final post was added saying that the place isn't working on an invite basis anymore, but I'd love it if that one was completely gone. Someone who is casually browsing can find them self stopping and saying: oops! I guess I'm not wanted here.

Just pointing it out since when I first came here I happened to find that thread. I actually quit playing for a day and thought I should just leave before I got kicked out for not being invited. When I stopped to look closer, I found the thread wasn't used anymore, but not everyone will look closer. The thread hadn't been locked at the time, but it would still be nice if it vanished completely instead of just being locked, provided there is a way to make it vanish.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wingrae wrote:
Any way to completely erase and vanish the old 'inviting people to Enupnion' thread?

I know it has been locked and a final post was added saying that the place isn't working on an invite basis anymore, but I'd love it if that one was completely gone. Someone who is casually browsing can find them self stopping and saying: oops! I guess I'm not wanted here.

Just pointing it out since when I first came here I happened to find that thread. I actually quit playing for a day and thought I should just leave before I got kicked out for not being invited. When I stopped to look closer, I found the thread wasn't used anymore, but not everyone will look closer. The thread hadn't been locked at the time, but it would still be nice if it vanished completely instead of just being locked, provided there is a way to make it vanish.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But...doesn't mentioning it here sort of defeat the purpose of erasing it?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. The point isn't to make it vanish to forget everything in it, the point is to prevent people from being confused by it.
If we mention it here in the context of calling it invalid, it doesn't really confuse anyone.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sssssh! I think the assumption is that they won't be that observant.
Or, that at least it won't be showing off the possibility of existing.

Meanwhile, I contemplate the amusement to be gained by keeping public threads open at all times.
My head is filled with madness.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Vael Smile

And the point is just to prevent confusion, I may not be the brightest thing around, but if it confused me it could confuse someone else.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can take over the character directory, if y'all don't mind. Smile

I have a few ideas for Sci-Fi town - once the current storyline Ned and Joy are involved in in Town Town is done, I might send them over there on a semi-permament basis. Very Happy


Also, *and* the reason I came here in the first place - the comment about Community Controlled NPCs in the TiAP thread. From the R. Stigetto & Son Creamery & Soda Shoppe thread:
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In terms of CCNPC's for the streets - a Town Crier, perhaps?
I'm imagining a slightly portly, elderly gent with curly grey-white hair and beard and a jovial personality.
Not sure why, but the name Tom Farthington comes to mind...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh, pretty good idea, in my oppinion.

And Roberto Stigetto Jr. has been added to the TIaP CCNPC list
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to hear more opinions on Deadly's list of suggestions. The moderators will be talking about it, but honestly we're mostly just here to enforce the rules that the forum goers create, so...
What should we be doing? Does anyone care, or can we just act as we see fit?
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I like the idea of parties, though I may be somewhat biased. >.>
Swarming new folk always seems a good idea, though I'm of the opinion we should find a clever way to hunt down new people.

Which would give the Indoctrination program something to do.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Town Cleanup and Revitalisation Act Reply with quote

Deadly wrote:
Speaking of former players who have left, we can not change real life, but if the reason for having left is something else, perhaps we can help it. If you're one who has stopped posting here but for whatever reason reads this, then I implore you to let us know why you play in this Town no longer. If you know the reasons for someone else not playing here, please let us know as well. Maybe we can use that knowledge, or atleast know why we have to miss you Smile
Having a long, hard think about this, I came to the conclusion that I stopped posting in the greater town because the players of characters that most commonly associated with my characters had stopped playing on those characters, for whatever reasons. Other opportunities elsewhere for RP presented themselves in the meantime, and I'm now quite satisfied for RP without Town. It has, quite simply, fallen off my list of interests.
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The Games forum (and subsequently 'Looking for Players') appears to be dying or more or less dead alreadly. I've tried real hard to keep kicking people around and keep it running, but honestly it seems like there's very little interest in keeping it going. Wxdruid suggested to me some time ago that I move my game to GitP, like she's done. I haven't done so yet because frankly I think it would be very, very sad to see the Games section here die completely.

I don't know what to do about this, I feel like I've already tried all I can. Maybe we should just move the two remaining games to GitP and close those two forums down? However sad that would be.
If The Games board is closed, I will not move to GiantitP for either of the campaigns I'm in here. And you'll never see me on this forum again unless some miracle makes me resume posting in Town.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*Seconds Vael about wanting to see more responses to these things*

Regarding the Games section, I have decided I won't be moving my campaign to GitP, instead I'll probably try starting a different campaign there. I'll continue to try and keep it running here, and right now it does at least move. Hopefully it can keep moving, otherwise, as sad as it would be, it'll just have to die.

Naturally I'll keep posting in your game too, Chilli.

It would be really nice if the Games section here could get some more life, however.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To talk briefly on the games - I think part of the problem is the inactivity and it just generally not being somewhere that's checked.  There've been a few games I only found out were recruiting when I actually noticed a new posts icons and found it was something that sounded interesting but was already filling up it's last slots and was a couple of pages long.  So it then becomes circular reasoning for me certainly - I don't notice new things in the games forum so I don't check them, so I check the Playground instead and I miss things here because I don't check regularly, so I look elsewhere...

Personally, all I think it needs is some more games to recruit, to become games and people to start checking more often.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re: Not posting in Town

It's nothing really to do with Town, other than the fact that I found that there was less Chaos for me to get involved with, and too much cybering and plot for my liking. Trying to get back in was tough for me as well, as because of the aforementioned issues, I've been unable to meet up with many people.

I guess I've also changed quite a bit, and as such am not so interested in Town any longer. Which isn't anyone's fault. Just the fact I've moved on to doing other things.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did we... already scare away Beholder and the other new faces? I thought I saw Blackfox posting briefly too. Don't tell me we scared them away already Crying or Very sad

On a different note, we need mentors for TIAP, or it's not really going to work that well. I can't be the only mentor.

We also need a communally controlled NPC for the streets - a Town crier has been suggested. We should get a list of CCNPCs in other threads too.

Also, why aren't anyone coming with any suggestions or thoughts on parties. What kind of sleepy, asocial freaks are we?

Lots of other things here to talk about too. Just take your pick from the first post or come up with something else. Lots and lots to talk about.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe that the main reason that the Sci-Fi town died is because Lord Vader brought everyone into a plot and then left Enupnion. As I see it, the easiest way to revive the Sci-Fi town is to get him back.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any ideas to spring out of my head for revitilization would be sadly lackluster and probably just nicked bits from others.
It's a hard thing to think on, mostly...

I'd volunteer for the mentor thing, if inherent silliness and frequent tardiness wouldn't make it difficult. >.>
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nonsense, DeB. How could sillyness possibly be bad? If anything, new people need to know what sillyness they enter so they don't flee in terror, and what better way to do so than a mentor who knows all about being silly? Razz

Renom wrote:
I believe that the main reason that the Sci-Fi town died is because Lord Vader brought everyone into a plot and then left Enupnion. As I see it, the easiest way to revive the Sci-Fi town is to get him back.


Why not just break continuity? Plots have always had their own little seperate timelines to make things work. Noone here have to feel locked up or restricted in any way because of another player, that's the nature of Town.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deadly wrote:
Renom wrote:
I believe that the main reason that the Sci-Fi town died is because Lord Vader brought everyone into a plot and then left Enupnion. As I see it, the easiest way to revive the Sci-Fi town is to get him back.


Why not just break continuity? Plots have always had their own little seperate timelines to make things work. Noone here have to feel locked up or restricted in any way because of another player, that's the nature of Town.

I agree. While I hadn't been involved in LV's plot, there is no reason that it should keep people from playing. The galaxy is our oyster!
Anyway, a few more people have (re)started playing in Sci-Fi Town, so that's great. Maybe someone should try to resurrect the equivalent 'community' threads, like Bard's Space Tavern, and The Skyway, to use as the central area from which adventures can emerge from. Or summat.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree completely. The problem is, people don't. I cannot see why people do not just program themseles out of continuity, but they do not.

Post Script: By the way, does anyone have a way to contact Lord Vader?


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