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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:02 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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And as I stated earlier, This is not a thread for commenting on your particular character or others.


Personally...this might be easier to understand if the things weren't separated into "Excusable" to "Inexcusable".
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only one of these things I take issue with is the Hair Color one (the bit about elves with Japanese-style names bothers me too, but whatever). A lot of us draw a substantial amount of inspiration from anime, and hair colors cover pretty muh the entire spectrum there, with no explanation beyond "that's what the character's hair color is".

Not to mention it discriminates against non-human characters. Who knows what sort of hair colors evoultion/the hand of their creator deity has produced for them?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, and also, just letting everyone know, I do have a real name picked out for Shadowbow, which will be revealed at the end of the Plane of Nightmares plot.  Lord knows, he deserves an actual name.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ Admiral Kelly: That's not going on the list because I disagree entirely.  Logically, if you were all-powerful, what would be the point of controlling the known universe?  You would know that you have the potential, but you would gain absolutely nothing from it that you didn't already have.  You could have a god attempt to take over the universe out of pure malice or spite, but that would be a one-trick-pony character and would likely get shot down by the other gods, too.  Just making a god for the sake of ruling others is about the most dickish you could get on this forum.

@ Darkblade: That depends.  It's one thing to have romance figure in to the backstory of your characters, because that can add depth and meaning.  It's another thing entirely to try to play out that romance town-style, curtains and all.  There have been people who have pulled off two romantically involved characters passably, and I think it can sometimes (if only sometimes) lead to interesting prospects.

@ Iames: Wouldn't 'that's a normal hair color for the species of the character/for where the character is from' fall under the category of an explanation?  I don't see what you're taking offense against at all.

The Japanese names thing might be a personal bias, though, because unless you're making a Japanese character it's just stupid to make him a ninja master with a generally Japanese-sounding mash of syllables for a moniker.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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@ Admiral Kelly: That's not going on the list because I disagree entirely.  Logically, if you were all-powerful, what would be the point of controlling the known universe?  You would know that you have the potential, but you would gain absolutely nothing from it that you didn't already have.  You could have a god attempt to take over the universe out of pure malice or spite, but that would be a one-trick-pony character and would likely get shot down by the other gods, too.  Just making a god for the sake of ruling others is about the most dickish you could get on this forum.
Firstly, I didn't necessarily say omnipotence; I'm applying this to any character who is an out-n-out uber (and you condemn omnipotence anyway). Second, most people who find themselves in a position of power are going to use it; not just wear the title of king. Third, I did not say every uber is going to rule the planet; I even make the example that if your a good god-like being, you would use your power to improve the world around you. Forth, having a character attempt to take over the world through force is the basis for a plot; not being a jerkass.

Please make a valid reason why my suggestion should not be added, 'kay?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because some of them really do have better things to do in the long run.  Like keeping the PL 50000 dragon god from re-entering the material plane.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe what I said was valid, but I can phrase it in OOC terms for you.  I don't like ubers.  Very few people like ubers.  Do we want to have ubers involved in grandiose, spotlight-stealing forays into our characters' lives?  I think not.  Even ubers versus ubers and only other ubers becomes a fully unpleasant stalemate scenario.  I condemn the very existence of ubers, as you have so helpfully pointed out, so I think it stands to reason why I think it's preferable that they stay on their own turf.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a thing about gods and goddesses, both good and evil. If you're immortal, you don't waste your time doing something small today that could result in bad things in the future. There's no point in trying to actively invade the town to be shot down like a maniacal villain on Scooby Doo, nor do you waste your time saving poor mortals when they themselves don't want to be saved. Over time, every god embraces that doing things passively or through other people is the best way to do things, and even so, they have all the time in the world to accomplish their goals.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, I'm assuming that Moxie and Bookboy should go make valid reasons now?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*posts opinion*

Play a character you like to role-play and have fun!
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... It's just my opinion Razz
Though this is quite good for those guys who like unique characters.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine was giving AK a valid reason.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just stating plausible reasons and loopholes to your arguments. I know I'm guilty of a lot of these, by sheer definition, but I don't use these traits as the center focus of the character, and that's what it comes down to. Depth.

Having something for no reason isn't bad, so long as you don't focus on that thing being the only thing to separate that person from the next person. Moxie's hybridization is there, but it's mentioned almost in passing as the focus of her back-story is to induce that isolation and that longing for a friend, someone to talk to, and yeah, she loves her creation, like, love love.

Now, one can create a character that doesn't fall into any of these dilemmas, and yet still fall into the "Bland" category as they still focus on one attribute of that character rather than the psychology of that character. Angst is just a pass at a bad attempt at that. But more important is that a character isn't great because of how strong he is, but how strong he is despite all of his drawbacks and problems. Disagree with me? Well, who's more interesting, Peter Parker/Spiderman or Clark Kent/Superman?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mine was giving AK a valid reason.


Sarcasm.  I was being petty.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wxdruid wrote:


And as I stated earlier, This is not a thread for commenting on your particular character or others.


Well, I'm sorry, but I felt especially attacked with the direct mention of "green hair", as I'm really the only one I've seen with a character with green hair.

Overall, I find the subject of this thread irksome and have an overwhelming desire to break each and everyone of them >>
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vael wrote:
It would be difficult indeed. I'll see what I can manage, if only to bring some humor into this thread. Wink

Edit:
Okay, so here we have the fabled:

Kasumi "Buffy" Aeswome the Amber Veiled.

Kasumi is rather short and has many scars from battle, but  none of these detract from her most compelling beauty. Even the scar across her eye somehow manages to radiate pure sexy. Her eyes glow a vivid green, and her long blue hair flows down her back like a dyed waterfall, except one streak which has turned white. Under one eye is a white tattoo of angel wings, mirroring the wings on her back, though the angelic appearance this gives her is belied by the fact that she has a long devil's tail peeking out from behind her.
One of her arms was lost in a battle long ago, and was replaced with the arm of a golem, and enchanted with magic runes so as to give her amazing strength, allowing her to make mighty strikes with her fabled sword, "Pwnrockzor," which she has strapped across her back.
Pwnrockzor is a huge katana forged out of soulsteel, imbued with the spirit of N'qaaam'c  (IE, 'Not Quite As Awesome As the Main Character") the demon prince. It is destined to be wielded by one who has seen conflict from the side of good, and the side of evil.
Around Kasumi is a green aura that becomes more or less intense as she uses her powers. Most of the time it is close enough to her skin to where she can hide it under clothing, so on top of her revealing ninja suit (that looks just like Kasumi's from Dead Or Alive) she wears a long black trench coat.

Kasumi was born under an amber moon, coinciding with a prophesy about the veiled goddess, Amber. As the only child born in that time, Kasumi was destined to be the incarnation of the goddess, bringing back her power and ridding evil from the world once and for all, but she cannot remember her past lives, and as such grew up as a simple farm girl until ninja assassins came to kill her. She hunted every one of them down after they killed her family- even the one that disguised as a meat pie vendor and traveled to Town in order to escape. Now she is without cause, and does not know of her past, but strikes out at anything and everything that she dislikes.
During her travels to kill one assassin, she was cursed and possessed by an evil spirit that tried to eat her soul, and while this occurred she turned evil and slaughtered an entire nation before coming back to her senses. Wallowing in grief, she decided she was an evil murderess and joined a band of assassins for a time before recalling her goal and returning to the light, slaughtered the entire group to show that she was no longer a part of them. The evil spirit still remains, and she fights with it to keep to her good side, though it corrupts her every once in a while, making her evil and crazy.
When she found Pwnrockzor, the blade that was destined to be wielded by one who had walked the path of evil and good, she transformed and gained her wings and tail. However, a vampire took advantage of the stupor the transformation put her in, and turned her while she was helpless. Pwnrockzor and her aura protect her from normal vampiric weaknesses, however. In her fight to get revenge she lost her arm, though it was replaced when she found a helpful and sexy sorcerer who created a golem arm for her and told her of her destiny. They romanced for a while before deciding it was not meant to be.
His help led her to find an ancient temple that described her power and what the incarnation of Amber meant for her. She was capable of wielding all the power of the mystical sun Amber Vael, which was a source of raw aeswome, which gives her abilities like magic, but as aeswome is a source older than magic, it cannot be touched by the lesser creations of wizards. However, being tied to the sun means that if it is ever extinguished, she will be stripped of her power and become mortal unless she can do the Amber Rites and Rituals, which will restore the sun to its previous state.
While the sun is still active and generating power, it is impossible for her to die, and her wounds heal almost instantly, regenerated by the aeswome she radiates.
Part of Kasumi's powers and domains is Death, as she is one of the three mystic guardians of the passage into Hadez, the land of the no longer living. Sometimes she is called on to send a powerful soul there, and must dress in long black robes, wielding the scythe form of Pwnrockzor.
Kasumi's only faithful companion is a small black and white kitten, "Mitten."

*cough*

Now that I feel like my IQ has dropped about 100 points, I'm going to go get lunch.


Presto, VR, it has been done.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bookboy wrote:
Vael wrote:
-snip-


Presto, VR, it has been done.

No, I mean seriously, not in satire.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh.  I'm actually liking the sound of that character.  Walking cliche, anyone?  Actually no, she need to be married to an ugly prince, and actually love the servant.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of my PCs break these without satire.  Others break them because doing so can be funny.

Case in point, the Shotgun Golem.

It only shows up now and again, but I'm sure it will have some X-shaped scares over its non-existent eyes next time around.

Though I would suggest adding something else to the list.  Arbitrarily old PCs.  I remember doing it a few times years ago, but at this point I can just look back and laugh.  If you're an elf a few hundred years makes sense.  If you're a magic flying lizard then one or two thousand might make sense.

But when you're some million and a half year old lich that is more venerable than any civilization in existence my eyes start rolling.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bookboy wrote:
Meh.  I'm actually liking the sound of that character.  Walking cliche, anyone?  Actually no, she need to be married to an ugly prince, and actually love the servant.

I love it.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey VR if it makes you feel better I have a character with blue hair for very little reason.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More than I hate demi gods I hate characters with uber armor that cant be cut and over powered spells. I mean, How? If they can cast spells that are really really powerful then their wizards. Wizards cant were armor. I just don't get it. People that don't fall down when they are stabbed in the heart annoy me.
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I'm actually very much approving most of these cliches if they are deconstructed.

Deconstructing cliches is a very, very elegant form of character creation, to my mind.

And, on the topic of ubers: my only real 'uber' is Sunn. And I know completely that she can be beaten by a housecat.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, house cats are really scary OK! Mine can give me an allergy attack, then claw my hand to shreds.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But is it a normal housecat, or an aakened house cat with 500000 levels in every class known to man, including homebrew, as well as some known only to me?
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Yes, but I think it has an intelligence of 3.


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